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<Seeker> Wb

<Werrf> Gotcha!

<Mary> Better, Werrf?

<Werrf> Yep, working

<zahm> Hi Werrf

<Mary> OK. I agree with Kris's proposal. We stay in office for 24 eps or six

months, whichever comes first.

<Mary> Any comments?

<Werrf> Possibly 24 eps would be too long..

<Werrf> If a season is all the eps produced in a year...maybe 12 eps or 6

months?

<Sheelba> I think 24 eps are probably too long also... I would feel

comfortable seeing 12

<SweetSAABer> a good number of them done by now but we've barely finished one

in 6 months.....12 episodes could take us a life time....we'd probably better

stick to the six months but leave it flexible depending on where we are

episode wise.

<SweetSAABer>

<Seeker> Dose anyone think we can actually get 24 eps done in six months?

<Mary> Sheelba, that's great.

<Seeker> Thats a helluva lot of writing.

<Mary> You sure you can live with 12 eps?

<SweetSAABer> No Adrian....I don't. Life has a way of interrupting all of

us.....things happen we can't forsee so 24 eps in 6 months isn't reasonable.

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<Mary> Gideon is here!

<Werrf> Adrian...no. I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of doing 24

in 6. I'd say half a season apiece.

<Sheelba> Well, when you see the proposed new method of writing it will

actually seem possible.

<Werrf> Gideon! Welcome aboard!

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<[email protected]> hELLO ALL

<Werrf> ::Comes to attention and Salutes::

<Seeker> My point exactly

<Sheelba> Ok... someone needs to invite Mary back.

<Werrf> Invited.

<Seeker> She

<Seeker> She offline?

<Werrf> No

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<Werrf> Wb, ma'am.

<Seeker> There we go

<Mary> Thanks! Sorry about that!

<zahm> I concur it is alot of writing. However, if someone writes an episode

by themselves things should happen quickly.

<Werrf> Do we need to vote on term or service, or just assume we're adopting

Kris's proposal?

<Mary> Now where were we?

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<Mary> If we go with Kris' proposal, they should be the same.

<zahm> The 12-24 episode thing

<Mary> Do I need to find Donna?

<Werrf> Done.

<Seeker> I think 12 episodes sounds reasonable.

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<Werrf> I've reinvited her.

<Mary> Thanks!

<Werrf> Tell you what, let's just assume that if someone leaves I'll reinvite?

<Seeker> WB

<Mary> I second the 12 eps.

<Mary> Hi, Donna!

<Seeker> All in favour?

<Mary> Yes.

<zahm> I feel 12 is a comfortable number.

<[email protected]> Aye

<Werrf> Yes to 12 eps.

<Sheelba> Agreed

<Seeker> The ayes have it

<Werrf> By a landslide.

<Mary> Great. 12 eps it is!

<Sheelba> 12 eps "and" six months... (just confirming)

<Mary> Now, let's vote on Kris' proposal for service.

<SweetSAABer> Oh, my heavens.....I've been going nuts.....nothing was working

at my end

<SweetSAABer> But I'm fine now....

<Mary> I want clarification on that, too.

<Werrf> Good to hear, ma'am.

<Mary> You ok, Donna?

<SweetSAABer> Yep...am now

<[email protected]> May I have clarification on Kris' proposal?

<Werrf> What is Kris' proposal so that we can vote on it?

<Mary> Sheelba, I'm interpreting this to mean that 12 eps, and length of

service to be 12 eps or 6 moths.

<Mary> Sheelba?

<Sheelba> Yep... that's what I thought.

<zahm> That was my thinking.

<Seeker> I'm in agreement

<Werrf> Me too.

<Mary> Peter, we want length of service of the officers to be 12 written eps

or 6 months.

<Sheelba> So term of service will be 12eps or six months (whichever comes

first)

<Mary> Correct, Sheelba.

<Sheelba> :)

<Mary> Any comments, Peter. Do you understand?

<[email protected]> Yes, Thank you and It sounds fine to me

<Mary> Adrian, any comments?

<Seeker> I think it's settled

<Mary> Good.

<Werrf> Right...what's the first item on the agenda

<Werrf> ?

<Mary> 2nd proposal. We need a secretary/record keeper.

<SweetSAABer> nominations for secretary

<Mary> Werrf, he's already doing the agenda.

<[email protected]> I second Werff

<Werrf> Err...'ang on!

<Seeker> I concur

<Werrf> Do I get a say in this??

<Mary> Carried. Werrf you are secretary.

<Seeker> I don't know, whould he?

<zahm> Nope, I concur :)

<Seeker> I guess not...

<SweetSAABer> Werrf.....you can refuse if there's a conflict for you

<Werrf> Nothing so convenient, I'm afraid

<Mary> Werrf, do you want to accept? We can nominate someone else.

<Werrf> Okay...I accept the position

<Mary> Thank you.

<SweetSAABer> Then it looks like we've found our victim......errr...secretary

<Mary> We have at that! :))

<Seeker> lol. Whats next?

<Werrf> ::Looks worried and wonders what he's got himself into::

<Mary> Next on the agenda, is story ideas.

<SweetSAABer> I know Adrian has one

<Mary> I have only received one outline/suggestion from Adrian so far.

<Seeker> And that still dosn't have all the bugs worked out of it yet...

<zahm> I've got one, too!

<Werrf> I have a suggestion that I've done a bit of work on...it's not fully

formed yet...

<Mary> Now, I have 2.

<Sheelba> You should have one in your mailbox from me as well.

<Mary> Slow down!!!!

<Werrf> Looks like Mary has all the suggestions...trot them out, ma'am!

<Mary> Adrian has one, Werrf has one, Sheelba has one, who else?

<SweetSAABer> Humm.....should they be posted on the web site for all to read,

consider then a vote taken via our service?

<Mary> Sheelba, did you send me the ones that were originally posted?

<Sheelba> Hey, lets do this... why don't you have the suggestions sent to me

so that I can post them on the web sight... don't forget that we have some ep

suggestions left on the web sight from the first proposal time.

<zahm> Me, but I haven't given you an outline yet.

<[email protected]> I have an idea in the rough, dealing with events

on earth in the aftermath of the revalation that the chigs may have come from

earth

<Mary> I agree.

<Seeker> Lets get going then..

<Mary> Everyone needs to either send them to me first or to Sheelba to be

posted.

<Werrf> Sounds good...Sheelba's the archivist...I don't think this is realy

the right place for posting ep outlines...

<SweetSAABer> Understood

<[email protected]> Aye Aye

<zahm> Sounds good!

<Mary> Agreed.

<Mary> But I want to see suggestions for everyone!

<Werrf> ::Salutes:: Ma'am, yes, ma'am

<Seeker> Yes, but I think we need to come to a descision.

<SweetSAABer> I've already got one there from before....about McQueen

<zahm> Yes, Ma'am!

<Mary> Any other comments on story ideas?

<Sheelba> They are on the web sight at...

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/sputnik/199/... I can have them posted to

the web page in probably five minutes (per ep proposal)

<SweetSAABer> Should we set a date for the vote?

<Mary> That need to be brought forward?

<Seeker> Do we realy want to take the time to read them now?

<SweetSAABer> Say by Wednesday....or next weekend

<Werrf> How about voting in the next meeting?

<Mary> Wednesday. We then discuss which ones have been choosen.

<SweetSAABer> Is Wednesday agreeable for everyone?

<Werrf> What time Wed?

<Mary> Agreed.

<Seeker> Yes what time?

<zahm> Okay with me!

<[email protected]> To Vote or to Meet?

<Mary> Let's say by 12 midnight your time.

<SweetSAABer> Just to vote.....

<Sheelba> Works ok for me... I think we should vote using the round2 list

tool.

<zahm> I thought to vote...

<Werrf> The round2 list tool...?

<SweetSAABer> Remember how we use to vote on things?

<Seeker> By my time? I can't do twelve

<SweetSAABer> That's what you're talking about....right Sheelba?

<Mary> Is that still up, Sheelba? It didn't work so well the last few times.

<Werrf> Do you mean the mailing list thing that always buggered up the results

that it sent to the list?

<Sheelba> Through makelist.com... that is correct Mary.

<Mary> I would suggest we vote on the Round 2 list. That way we will know who

and what was voted for.

<[email protected]> Yeah it was a really good idea, but it just never

seemed to work for everyone

<Sheelba> I will edit the results so that they are not screwed up next time...

or just post them to the web.

<Seeker> I say, we drop Mary a line VIA ICQ whenever is convinient prior to

wed

<Werrf> I've got to be frank, I don't trust that thing.

<Werrf> How about just e-mailing out votes into the list?

<Mary> Sheelba, I agree with them. It just didn't work.

<Werrf> With 'Story Vote' inthe subject line?

<Sheelba> That would be a bit cumbersom but we could e-mail them to the list.

<[email protected]> I think using the list would be fine

<Mary> That's what I mean. Email Round 2 with what we vote on.

<Mary> Any comments?

<Seeker> I can do that.

<zahm> I vote for e-mail.

<Werrf> Don't take this the wrong way, Skipper, but it was a bit cumbersome

having to try and translate the results.

<Werrf> E-mail for me.

<Mary> Then we vote on the story lines we like via email to Round 2 by

Wednesday, midnight your time.

<SweetSAABer> Agreed

<Seeker> Is anyone opposed?

<Mary> That way everyone can see the results and know where we stand.

<Mary> It's passed.

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<SweetSAABer> Is there any objections to our vote being public? Do any of you

prefer a private vote?

<Mary> Wednesday, 12 midnight.

<SweetSAABer> By public, I mean within the group

<[email protected]> No Objection

<Seeker> I have no preference

<Mary> Correct, Donna.

<Werrf> Public's fine by me

<zahm> Publics fine.

<SweetSAABer> Okay, just thought I'd ask in case someone was uncomfortable

with it

<Seeker> Were has almighty leader gone?

<Mary> Does everyone understand?

<Seeker> Yes

<Mary> Sheelba?

<SweetSAABer> Werrf....are you asking him back?

<Mary> Sheelba, you still here?

<Werrf> Yes

<Werrf> It's giving me grief though.

<Werrf> NO, Mary, he isn't.

<Mary> I'll do it.

<SweetSAABer> Why?

<Werrf> I'm already on it, Mary

<SweetSAABer> I heard that......

<Seeker> What was next on the list?

<SweetSAABer> Punishment for the wildcards

<Mary> Next, is the fate of the Wildcards.

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<SweetSAABer> What repercusions should befall them because of their actions on

the planet

<Seeker> In such a scenario, the worst they'd get is a formal hearing

<Seeker> Possibly a stiff reprimand but thats as far as it gose

<SweetSAABer> Do you think that Vansen would be busted down to Lt.?

<[email protected]> I like the Idea of the WC's getting stuck with

some oddballs and being given dangerous missions as an unofficial punishment

<zahm> I think the wildcards should be given the drudge assignments until they

prove themselves.

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<Seeker> That dosn

<SweetSAABer> I do too....I suspect that no too much 'formal' will happen to

them but that they would be considered the butt-wipe of the fleet for al

while.

<Seeker> I don

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<Seeker> I don't think so

<[email protected]> ? Seeker

<Seeker> Theyre far too needed

<Werrf> Remember, chaps, they were grounded pending 'Further Disiplinary

Action'. That sounds bad to me.

<Mary> My pc does not like me this evening!

<SweetSAABer> Okay.....will Vansen get busted to Lt?

<Seeker> Sorry bad typing

<Seeker> No

<Werrf> She'd certainly get a lot of flak...she was the CO of the mission

after all...

<Seeker> She shouldn't..

<Werrf> Why not, Adrian?

<SweetSAABer> I think she would and one of the new members would take

over.....we can always kill one of the new ones off later and bring Vansen

back at Capt.

<Mary> They all would get flak!

<Seeker> She's responsible, but they didn't tell the chigs anything they

didn't already know

<[email protected]> I like that idea SweetSAAB

<zahm> INo Vansen will not be busted, because she was shot down rescueing the

POWs .

<SweetSAABer> That doesn't matter....revealing military info is a serious

offense whether the enemy already knew about it or not

<Mary> We all have differing opinions.

<Mary> SUGGESTION!

<Werrf> Shoot.

<Seeker> And in this case the wildcards are far too valuable to be sitting on

the sidelines

<Mary> We send our suggestions to either the list or to me.

<Sheelba> I think that Ross... while the fleet is under attack and under a lot

of pressure ... will hold off from grounding them. There are documented

stories during WWII when disciplinary action was held off until a more

oppertune time (when they had more manpower).

<Mary> The best one will be written about.

<Seeker> Like I said. Theyre too valuable to sit around with drudge jobs

<Mary> This is where the military historians on the list will shine.

<SweetSAABer> I don't think that they would be grounded necessarily......just

bust Vansen down....put Kaiser in as Capt and give them tough assignments

until they proof themselves.

<Mary> Adrian, they wouldn't be given drudge jobs.

<Werrf> They'd all be punished.

<Mary> They would be given the most dangerous jobs or be punished.

<SweetSAABer> I agree with Adrian....the manpower is needed....they don't get

to stay home on this one........they've got to get out there and do their jobs

<Seeker> Not right away though...

<Werrf> They wouldn't use the 'obeying orders' excuse because that would dump

it all on Vansen.

<[email protected]> Right as I recall there was a shortage of

soliders to begin with. So the WC's get another CO and a whole lot of flak

until they can redem themselves

<Werrf> We can't let them get away scot free.

<zahm> Sounds good to me.

<Werrf> They all have to get an official punishment.

<Sheelba> I like the idea of future redemption as well... It would go over

well with our readers as well.

<Mary> I agree with Werrf, they have to be punished.

<SweetSAABer> There must be other 'hot' squads in the fleet....the WC's can be

the only ones.....maybe they get assignments like cover the flank for a while

liek they did in the opening episode

<Mary> If they aren't military discipline will falter.

<Seeker> Um... Just a thought, but as I recall the WCs are the most valuable

sqn in the fleet. It would be stupid to have them sitting around in the

middle of wartime

<SweetSAABer> Punished how Werrf?

<Werrf> I don't know. All I'msaying is that they would be punished.

<[email protected]> Loss of rank for the CO

<Sheelba> They will not get away Scott free... but punished at a later date

when they have the luxury of manpower.

<SweetSAABer> I agree Lt. Gideon

<Seeker> But I agree with Mary and Werff they do need to be dsciplined

<zahm> Alright if they must be punished, what would be appropriate?

<Mary> Loss of rank, Kris.

<Seeker> The timing would not be instantaneous..

<Mary> And loss of prestige.

<Seeker> And you can't demote them..

<Werrf> IMHO, in reality, Vansen would be busted back to 1st Lt, the others

back to 2nd Lt, and all plaed on probation.

<Werrf> Absolute minimum.

<Seeker> There all luetennants

<Werrf> There are two grades of Lt.

<Mary> Again, I agree with Werrf.

<SweetSAABer> I agree with Werrf.

<SweetSAABer> Vansen has to be busted down.

<[email protected]> I am with Werff on this as well

<Mary> 2nd Lieuy's are the lowest.

<Sheelba> Drudge assignments... I don't think they will be given any critical

missions until they prove themselves. And the military would only allow them

to prove themselves when the military has no choice.

<Seeker> Demotion is never the awnser

<zahm> Okay, they get busted.

<SweetSAABer> I agree with Sheelba on that

<Werrf> Well what do you suggest, adrian?

<Werrf> Sheelba, that's pretty much what I meant by Probation.

<Mary> Adrian, they have to prove themselves again.

<Werrf> They don't get trusted until they've been watched for a long time.

<Seeker> Well.... If I was Ross, they'd be on instant probation pending court

martial at a later time

<Werrf> Small point, Adrian...it's got bugger all to do with Ross.

<Mary> But, Ross, isn't the JC in charge.

<Werrf> It's the military hierarchy. The Joint Chiefs.

<SweetSAABer> Yeah, Ross is the commander of the ship but he's still got

higher ups to answer to.....and they are mad at the 58th

<Sheelba> Works for me... I had a story idea that would work with this anyways

(of course it would be a while until that story comes out, and most of the

58th would need to pay in blood for that kind of redemption.

<[email protected]> So what if we keep the threat of CM at the end of

the Conflict hanging over their heads?

<Seeker> Whoever, but the fact remains... You can't demote somebody without

at least a formal hearing

<Mary> That's what is misleading. It was never clear whether the JC's were

killed or not in the bomb.

<Werrf> Adrian, it doesn't make much sense putting 'Traitors' above loyal

soldiers.

<SweetSAABer> I guess that's open for our interpretation

<Sheelba> One JC was killed, and I think it was the one who was asking for the

WC's heads.

<Mary> Exactly. And leaves us lattitude in the direction we decide to go.

<Werrf> The way I read it, McQ was the only survivor inthe room.

<SweetSAABer> Were 'all' the JC's present?

<Werrf> That's up to us, I guess.

<Werrf> Certainly a lot of the Top Brass.

<Mary> Only, three were with McQ & the Alien, if I remember.

<SweetSAABer> I have no military background so some of those finer points are

tough for me.

<Seeker> Since the JC's are toast... There probably couldn't be any immediate

action against the WCs...

<SweetSAABer> How many JC's are there?

<Mary> There are five JC's

<SweetSAABer> So two are remaining...

<Mary> Yes.

<Seeker> Two JC's have to run a fleet...

<Mary> I'm assuming either on Earth or on a carrier.

<SweetSAABer> I'm sure others will be promoted into the slots.....

<Seeker> Theres no way that theyre going to keep there best SQN on the ground.

<Mary> Again, yes.

<Werrf> So, to recap...have we decided on a punishment for the 'Cards?

<Seeker> Given that they will be under alot of pressure..

<SweetSAABer> We're not talking about grounding the 58th......just giving them

less critical assignments like recon or something like that

<Seeker> Thats unsound...

<Mary> Yes. A demotion, and either dangerous or grunt work until they prove

themselves.

<SweetSAABer> Yes....all are demoted and disgraced......

<Werrf> Right. And...sorry, but I got a bit lost, what are we now discussing?

HOW they get punished?

<SweetSAABer> Are we going with Kaiser as the new squad CO

<Seeker> The new members should be allowed to fly...

<[email protected]> Aye Demoted and Disgraced

<Mary> Adrian, think about what you are saying. They have to be punished.

<Sheelba> I agree with donna... give them crumb jobs for a while then, maybe

3/4 of the way through this season they will redeam themselves.

<Seeker> I disagree...

<Sheelba> Kaiser is hte new squad CO, that was decided long ago

<Seeker> I agree. They must be punished. But a demotion will teach them

nothing.

<Werrf> Okay, Adrian, you don't like our suggestions.

<zahm> I agree with Sheelba.

<Werrf> So what the hell DO you suggest??

<Mary> Yes, it will Adrian.

<Mary> They will have to make up to their peers once again.

<SweetSAABer> Demotion makes a statement to everyone.....orders must be

followed or there will be repercusions

<SweetSAABer> They must be made an example

<[email protected]> Are the new memners screballs as well? or are

just unlucky to ge stuck with the infamous 58?

<Seeker> Disgrace the squadron.

<Mary> We're laying the groundwork for the next season.

<SweetSAABer> Do you remember the ep with West going down to the

planet....when McQ got soooo angry at West for leaving?

<Werrf> If nothing else, the disgraced soldiers won't have authority over less

disgraced soldiers?

<Werrf> That makes sense, doesn't it?

<Seeker> Deterance dosn't work.

<Mary> Peter, they are unlucky to get stuck with the 58th.

<Werrf> Okay, you want to disgrace the squadron. How?

<Seeker> What you suggest is that you hold a court martial

<Mary> Adrian, let's see how the story flows.

<Sheelba> I think we are at a point where we can vote... as for Adrians

question, the new members are unlucky (and probably angry) with their new

assignments.

<SweetSAABer> Adrian....go back and watch 'Farthest Man From Home".....the

scene with McQ......

<[email protected]> The Disgraced soldiers not having authority over

the undisgraced? that sounds a little complicated to work into a story.

<Mary> OK. Are we in agreement that the 58th should be demoted and punished.

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<SweetSAABer> Of course, some of the new members are in a somewhat disgraced

state too....like Lockwood.

<Seeker> It's not stratigically sound thinking

<[email protected]> Aye, Demoted & Disgraced.

<SweetSAABer> We should have a challenge getting them to the point of

redemption.

<Werrf> Then WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST???????

<Seeker> But it makes perfect literary sense

<Mary> Finally! The whole point, Adrian. This is a story!

<[email protected]> But the redemption should not be until the

beginning of the next season at the very least.

<Mary> NOW. VOTE.

<SweetSAABer> I agree Lt. Gideon.....it should take time

<SweetSAABer> Werrf's here....

<Mary> ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE 58TH SHOULD BE DEMOTED AND PUNISHED?

<Werrf> I vote for each card to be reduced by one rank, and the ssquadron

placed on probation until they prove themselves.

<[email protected]> Aye

<SweetSAABer> Yes

<Sheelba> yes

<Mary> I, vote yes.

<Mary> Kris?

<SweetSAABer> Kris is zahm

<SweetSAABer> she voted

<SweetSAABer> we're waiting on Adrian

<Sheelba> It looks unanimous... demotion and disgrace

<Werrf> Adrian, what's your vote?

<Mary> I know who Kris is. I don't see her vote.

<Werrf> Nor do I.

<Seeker> I choose not to

<SweetSAABer> right after mine

<[email protected]> I show Zahm leaving a while ago

<Mary> 6 to 1.

<Werrf> Okay, we have six in favour and one abstention.

<Werrf> Adrian, could you clarify...do you want to abstain or vote no?

<SweetSAABer> Whew!

<[email protected]> I need a short recess be back to the keyboard in

5

<Seeker> I abstain, pending further question.

<Mary> I think a quick recess is in order.

<SweetSAABer> Pending what further question Adrian?

<Sheelba> boy, that was a heated discussion... Lets take five minutes to catch

our breath

<SweetSAABer> Yes....I could use a head call

<Werrf> Six in favour, one abstention. The group has decided that the 58th

should be demoted and placed on probation.

<Mary> We are down to #4 on the agenda.

<SweetSAABer> brb

<Seeker> I want to know how the group would like to go about accomplishing the

descision

<Mary> Adrian, I will take that up with you privately

<[email protected]> BRB

<Seeker> A demotion is not a simple procedure.

<Mary> ADRIAN! I WILL TAKE THAT UP WITH YOU PRIVATELY!

<Werrf> Adrian, if you don't like the suggestion, vote against it.

<Werrf> The vote has been carried.

<Werrf> The discussion is over.

<Seeker> I'm not against the suggestion

<Sheelba> I think we should shelve the discussion of what kind of punishment

until a later date.

<Mary> Thank you, Sheelba!

<Mary> We are in recess.

<Mary> Everybody take a deep breath!

<Mary> We've got this far and we're still alive!

<Sheelba> I will see everyone in five minutes...

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<Werrf> What'd I miss?

<Sheelba> I agree with donna... I think two episodes per month with one Beta

reader is the best option.....so the others take the month off or spend their

time thinking of story ideas....this way if I know I've got a tough month

ahead I can bow out a bit then be ready to hit it the next month...

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<SweetSAABer> tie that girl down......

<Werrf> That sounds like a damn good move to me

<SweetSAABer> What does everyone else think about the option on the table?

<zahm> Mary, Werrf how do I invite you to chat?

<Werrf> I vote aye.

<Sheelba> ... If we had everyone write every month we would end up with a

serious case of burnout

<SweetSAABer> in no time....that's for sure

<Mary> WB, Werrf & Kris!You can't from outside Kris. You have to be inside to

do it.

<SweetSAABer> This way we can keep this enjoyable......keep the pressure down

a bit

<Werrf> Actually, Mary, that's not entirely accurate...

<Mary> OK. One beta for 2 writers. The others are resting.

<[email protected]> Aye

<SweetSAABer> aye

<Werrf> Aye.

<Mary> Sorry, Werrf. You are the expert. :))

<Werrf> I know.

<Mary> Aye

<Sheelba> agreed

<SweetSAABer> Okay.....next item?

<Mary> I know Kris. Let's finish this, then I'll explain. Or better yet

Werrf will.

<zahm> I am inside the other Chat!

<zahm> I'm in two chats!

<zahm> Werrf?

<[email protected]> Next on the Agenda?

<Mary> Now I would like to see a deadline of two week turn around.

<Werrf> Yes, Kris?

<SweetSAABer> Explain.....

<Mary> Yes, Kris, Werrf. He's the resident computer whiz.

<zahm> Explain?

<Werrf> COMPUTER WHIZZ??????

<Mary> Yep. You are also the secretary.

<SweetSAABer> Deadline of two week turn around.....explain please

<Werrf> Sorry...leave it till after.

<Mary> One week to write, one week to beta.

<[email protected]> Aye

<Werrf> Do you really think that's enough?

<Mary> Sheelba, how long are the eps to be in pages?

<SweetSAABer> Ohhhh....one week to write an entire episode? That's pretty

tough for some of us

<Sheelba> Two weeks is a little tight... I propose a three week turnaround.

<Werrf> If we're thinking of two eps a month, we've got three weeks towrite,

one week to Beta

<Werrf> Beta is a lot faster than writing.

<Mary> OK, 3 weeks.

<SweetSAABer> Three weeks is much better

<[email protected]> 3 weeks to write 1 to Beta?

<Werrf> Write:Beta 3:1.

<Mary> Yes, Peter.

<Mary> Sheelba!!!!

<Sheelba> I have no idea on length, but it should consist of about four

scenes. I am going to post the story in four parts.

<Mary> That's about 15-20 pages.

<Werrf> I don't like posting a limit on stories. A target, yes, but a limit

wouldn't work.

<Sheelba> Possibly less

<Mary> We should be able to do that with no sweat in 3 weeks. That leaves 1

week to beat.

<Mary> beta.

<SweetSAABer> Agreed Werrf

<Sheelba> Target is a better word.

<SweetSAABer> How about regular updates to the Beta reader and the

group.....deadlines help us all from procrastinating to the last minute

<Mary> But we need a cutoff time.

<Mary> Four weeks from start to finish.

<[email protected]> Good Idea Donna

<zahm> Agreed

<Werrf> Agreed.

<SweetSAABer> Should the writers post their story with the Beta reader weekly

so he/she doesn't get buried at the end by two full stories?

<Mary> If it's early, fine. If it's late, why.

<[email protected]> this would also stop any conflicts earlier int he

process

<Sheelba> I think the writer should post the outline to the beta first, and

then after writing each scene send the rough draft the the beta.

<Mary> I would say yes, Donna. That way the beta has a chance to stop any

problems early.

<Werrf> I'd say it's up to the individual writer/betas to decide between them.

<SweetSAABer> Yes....we could head off problems early enough to not have to

rewrite entire stories at the last minute

<[email protected]> Exactamundo

<Werrf> Some people like to beta a whole story at once, so they can follow it

through, some people like to do it bit by bit

<Mary> OK. Four wks from start to finish. 2 authors per beta. Any comments.

<Sheelba> Works for me.

<[email protected]> You could beta it on both levels.

<Werrf> Which levels, Peter?

<SweetSAABer> Beta it on both levels? Define levels

<[email protected]> The scene to scene or weekly were you look for

possible conflicts, spelling and other technical stuff

<SweetSAABer> And I think Sheelba has a good idea with the step by step

presentation to the Beta reader.

<SweetSAABer> Oh, okay Peter....along the line of Sheelba's suggestion......

<Mary> Any other comments?

<[email protected]> and then on the Complere story, its overall

...effect

<Werrf> Can I suggest that we don't tell anyone HOW to beta.

<Werrf> that should be up to the individual reader. Different people work

best in different ways

<zahm> Werrf has a point.

<Mary> An excellent point!

<Werrf> ::Shrugs:: A point.

<SweetSAABer> Then we had better match their working methods up.....

<Mary> We leave it to the individuals.

<SweetSAABer> Or we're going to have a war between Beta and writer

<Mary> I'm in the process of doing that Donna

<Werrf> Let the writers and betas sort it out between them. If there are

irreconcilable differences, the team wouldn't work anyway, so we should switch

them round.

<Mary> I'll get with Sheelba and give him my suggestions.

<[email protected]> Ok, where are we on the agenda? My time is

running out....

<SweetSAABer> mine too....got homework

<SweetSAABer> #5?

<Werrf> Okay, one beta to two writers, 3:1 week ratio, betas and writers sort

out problems between them. Yes?#

<[email protected]> Aye

<Mary> We're on # 6

<SweetSAABer> aye

<Sheelba> yep

<Mary> aye

<Werrf> Right, motion's carried. Next on the agenda.

<zahm> Story progress?

<Mary> # 6 is basically get me informed of what is going on.